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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:41 pm 
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28/09/04-28/09/24 ( i'm 2 weeks late, i've been busy :laugh: ), 20 years ago this amazing collab between PJ and Marianne faithfull (and Nick Cave too) was released;

PJ composed and wrote "the mistery of love", "my friends have", "no child of mine"(a masterpiece, In my opinion), "before the poison"(a mastepiece IMO), "in the factory".

What i still particularly love about this album is the taste of it: it feels so much like a Uh Huh Her 2, but with Marianne as the main singer and PJ on backing vocals; I adore the Uh huh Her era theme of Poison: "Life and Death of mr Badmouth" ( ...your lips taste of poison...) in Uh huh Her, "Before the poison" in this album, and the rarity "Bows and Arrows" (... Bows and Arrows tipped in Poison... . It Was composed and recorded in the same years the other uh huh her songs were made).


Here's Marianne's page site on Before the Poison, together with a photo of her and PJ:

http://www.mariannefaithfull.org.uk/music/before-the-poison/

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PJ and Marianne performed live "my friends have" and "mistery of love" in Le Zénith, Paris ( i think Marianne lived in Paris at the time) on 30/06/2024. Romario kindly shared to me a recording of the whole gig last year, you can find his comment here: https://www.thegardenforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2918


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:39 pm 
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RIP Marianne


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 11:38 pm 
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Terrible news! :(


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:22 am 
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Since i didn't share it in my original comment i'll do it now: check out this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwLVLywoj0





Marianne talks about the album, how she met Nick Cave and PJ, how they composed and wrote the songs. There are even video clips from the le Zenith ( a few seconds) and PJ and Marianne in the composing/writing room.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:59 am 
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Sebastiano Boina wrote:
Since i didn't share it in my original comment i'll do it now: check out this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwLVLywoj0





Marianne talks about the album, how she met Nick Cave and PJ, how they composed and wrote the songs. There are even video clips from the le Zenith ( a few seconds) and PJ and Marianne in the composing/writing room.


you might want to listen this documentary about MF https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b010v549

she speaks about working with pjh at around 45 mins

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In tribute to Marianne Faithfull, another chance to hear her discussing the music that changed her life.

Matt Everitt leads Marianne through a warm, engaging look at a career which has spanned five decades. She has worked with many great musicians including David Bowie and Dr. John, Blur and PJ Harvey.

Marianne discusses the music she grew up with - including Chuck Berry and the Everly Brothers - and the way it influenced her solo work. She also covers her forays into country music, her love of jazz, and explains why she received a credit on the Rolling Stones' song Sister Morphine. The singer also talks about her past drug problems and the way that she has now made peace with difficult periods in her life.

First broadcast in May 2011



another MF quote from 2014
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«Oh, I love PJ Harvey. I mean, Polly is not easy to collaborate with. She doesn't really collaborate, in fact. Whereas Nick Cave does. And even Damon Albarn, ego as he may have, and even Mick Jagger. In the end they collaborate. Polly likes being in control – and why not? I have no problem with that. She is one of my favorite artists, anyway» –


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:43 am 
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Joe Gore's recollections of working with Marianne Faithfull https://tonefiend.com/uncategorized/thr ... yoyD00kFlg


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I just heard that Marianne Faithfull has died. It wasn’t a total shock — she’d been grappling with health problems for years. But it’s incredibly sad, and it makes me feel even more grateful for the few days that I got to spend playing and traveling with her in the summer of 2013.

She was booked for two outdoor shows in Northern California. My old pal, keyboardist Rob Burger, enlisted me, I think because her usual guitarist, Bill Frisell, couldn’t make the dates. Robbie is one of the two or three best musicians I’ve ever known. He’s played with … well, pretty much everybody, the fucker.

Robbie is one of several friends who knew Marianne far better than I. Another is Richard Fortus from Guns N’ Roses, who was her housemate for a time. Yet another is music journalism icon Sylvie Simmons, who Marianne sometimes treated like a kid sister. My encounter was relatively fleeting, but I can’t help jotting down some memories.

I knew Marianne’s legend, from Swingin’ London It Girl to brutally honest singer/songwriter. I’d seen her in Lucifer Rising and Girl on a Motorcycle. I’d heard how she fought for her rightful authorship of the Rolling Stones song “Sister Morphine.” Her vicious and uncompromising 1979 comeback album, Broken English, blew me away, as it did countless other listeners. And she was the featured speaker at a music journalism awards event I attended in LA. (She literally phoned in sick, delivering her address via loudspeaker.)

I’d also read the first of her two autobiographies, titled Memories, Dreams, and Reflections after the Carl Jung book with a near-identical title. It’s one of the best music bios you’ll ever read — and one of the few that was actually written by its subject. Most are ghost-written as-told-to tales. But Marianne had the literary chops to handle the job herself.

Marianne might not have grown up wealthy, but she was raised in an environment of extraordinary cultural privilege. Her parents were artists and intellectuals, and she was literally a baroness — her great-great uncle was Baron Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, who wrote Venus in Furs and gave us the word “masochism.” She was an extraordinarily intelligent and literate woman.

I was thrilled by this opportunity, but nervous before the first rehearsal because Marianne sometimes had a reputation as a prickly diva. She arrived last for rehearsal, draped in couture and managing something like regal grandeur in a practice space the size of a suburban bathroom. She was already stout by then, but you could still detect that youthful beauty in her face. She was … imposing and amazing.

But I figured I had a good opening line: “Hey, we’ve both worked with Polly Harvey and Tom Waits.”

“Polly Harvey,” she said, voicing the name with deliberate slowness. “Did you find her difficult to work with? I certainly did.”

I mentioned Tom, which elicited a stronger reaction. “Tom Waits — that arrogant little punk! He’s the most conceited man I’ve ever met aside from Macca. But then, Macca was a Beatle, wasn’t he? There’s not many who can say that.” Apparently the bad blood stemmed from her time performing the role of the Devil in the stage version of Waits’s The Black Rider. (I played guitar and banjo on the original album, but never performed it live.)

The backup was minimal — just Robbie on piano and me on baritone guitar. Happily, Marianne seemed satisfied with what we played, and she treated me nicely. I owe a lot to Robbie for helping me learn some of the material — and pointing out that I’d always played the “Broken English” riff incorrectly. (It starts on the second scale degree, not the first.)

Marianne treated us all to dinner at a fancy San Francisco sushi restaurant. An overweening waiter fawned as he took our orders. “Thank you,” she said, adding “Now fuck off” as he walked away. I’m pretty sure he heard her.

The first gig — at a rustic vineyard venue — went well enough, though there was one memorable rough spot. On one song, Robbie and I simultaneously bungled a chord change going into a bridge. This was a freak occurrence, because Robbie is the sort of musician who simply doesn’t make mistakes — everything sounds perfect on the first take, whereas I can rarely manage 16 clam-free bars. Furious, Marianne whipped her head around to glare at Robbie. “Now,” she told the audience, “we’re going to play it again from the beginning because he fucked it up.” Thanks, Robbie, for taking my bullet.

She, of course, was fabulous. That presence! That chilling, gravel-toned voice! Marianne was an actor as well as a musician, and you knew it.

The next gig was at an outdoor hippie festival in rural Northern California. The drive took many hours, and I got to sit next to Marianne in the passenger van. Man, I wish I’d recorded those conversations! We talked a lot about literature, particularly the Brontë sisters. How the fuck, I wondered, did Emily emerge from such a sheltered upbringing to conceive something as emotionally and sexually explosive as Wuthering Heights? Marianne attributed it to the influence of brother Branwell, the worldliest of the Brontë kids, who failed in multiple careers before succumbing to alcohol and opium addiction.

She loved to gossip about the music icons of the ’60s. Pete Townshend had recently been embroiled in scandal for possessing child porn, which he claimed was research material for his own autobiography. (He was eventually cleared of charges.) Marianne believed him 100%. And I was struck by how she remembered Keith Moon. Not as a drunken maniac, but as a nice guy. “Keith was a very, very kind man,” she said.

Then as now, I’ve suspected that Keith Richards did not play the guitar solo on “Sympathy for the Devil.” (Long story — let’s skip it for now.) But I figured I might get some info from Marianne, since she was at the frickin’ session, singing those woo-woos alongside Anita Pallenberg.

According to rock legend, hyper-literate Marianne had read Mikhail Bulgakov’s The Master and Margarita, a religious/political satire written in the 1930s, but censored by Russian authorities until the late ’60s. It depicts a charming, urbane Satan — AKA Professor Woland — wreaking havoc on pre-WWII Moscow. She reportedly shared the book with then-squeeze Mick Jagger, who promptly penned “Sympathy.”

I asked if the story was true.

“Well,” she replied, “have you read the book?”

Like three times!

“Have you heard the song?” she asked.

I nodded. Duh.

She gave a theatrical shrug that I interpreted as “Of course it’s fucking true.”

“Who played the solo on that song?” I asked with fake casualness.

She turned to stare out the window. Long seconds of silence. “I just knew,” she finally grumbled, “that you were eventually going to ask me something idiotic like that.”

For once I stood strong. “Look, I’m not asking that as some drooling Stones fan. I’ve devoted my life to the craft of guitar playing, and that recording was an important influence on several generations of players. Those details matter.”

Marianne seemed to buy it. She dropped the belligerence and sighed. “I guess you’ll have to ask Keith, won’t you? He is the guitar player, after all. You do know Keith, don’t you, darling?” (Yes, she really said “darling,” like on Absolutely Fabulous, where she had portrayed God.)

No, I didn’t know Keith. But one time when I was staying at the Mandarin Oriental in Knightsbridge on tour, I kept running into him and his bodyguard in the elevator and on the stairway. Only later did it occur to me that I had a great opening line: “Hey, you and I both played on Tom Waits’s Bone Machine!” (Though not on the same songs.) Maybe that line would have worked better with Keith than it had with Marianne.

We arrived at the venue and parked the van in a dirt lot near the ad-hoc backstage area. The vibe was vintage hippie. I saw Wavy Gravy wandering around.

The road manger helped Marianne down from the van — she was already having mobility problems. As her heels touched the dirt, she turned to me and asked, “Darling, do you think I’m the only one here wearing Chanel?”

That show also went fairly well, but I don’t think it connected with much of the audience, who probably had no idea who Marianne was or what she represented. Afterward she seemed tired and a bit melancholy.

That night we stayed in a modest motel near the event. John Prine, who had also appeared at the festival, was staying there too. We’d included one of Prine’s songs in the set. I’d known of both Prine and Marianne since my early teens. How weird, I thought, for these paths to intersect at a rural motel four decades later.

The next morning we drove back to SF. We talked more about books. I raved about Jake Arnott’s recent The House of Rumor. One of its labyrinthine subplots involved rocket scientist/Satanist Jack Parsons, who had inspired Marianne’s song “City of Quartz.” She earnestly advised me not to pursue Satanism. (“It can be very harmful.”) When we stopped for coffee in San Rafael, I dashed to a nearby bookstore for a copy. They didn’t have it. I promised to send Marianne the book, but I never did. Not long after we all said goodbye in San Francisco.

That was the last time I saw Marianne. I heard about her subsequent travails via Robbie: the near-fatal covid episode, its dire after-effects. I’m just grateful to have spent a few days in the company of such a fiery, imposing, and brilliant artist. Thank you, Robbie. Thank you, Marianne.




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